Ask HN: Do you want a router that has DD-WRT pre-installed?

159 pointsIxander5 days ago150 commentsView on HN

I sometimes run across comments where someone says they want an open-source router. I wonder if this is a viable idea for someone to start as a small company. What makes me hesitant is that, first, it looks like this already exists in several wireless and non-wireless routers (like the GL.iNet Flint or OpenWrt One), and second, I assume hackers would just make their own.

I have been flashing DD-WRT to my routers for many years. My current setup is an Archer C9 that connects via cable to an Archer C8, which then wirelessly bridges to an R7000. All of them run DD-WRT. If I had "fun money," I would buy a low-power SFF PC with dual NICs, run OPNsense or OpenWrt, and use the wireless routers strictly as access points. Since I don't have that much to spend, I look for older DD-WRT friendly routers, usually under $30, on Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace, and flash them myself.

I see that Ubiquiti and MikroTik make quality routers with proprietary OSes for around $65 new. Protectli and Netgate offer pfSense routers starting at $259.00. The GL.iNet Flint 2 is $169.00, and the OpenWrt One is $89.

According to ResellBot (because eBay now requires a login to see sold listings with prices), the sold "DD-WRT Routers" generally go for under $160. These include the WRT3200ACM, Netgear AC1750, Linksys EA9300, and Linksys R7350.

When I asked an AI how I would go about judging interest, building, raising funds, and manufacturing, it seems doable but expensive (said $125,000 minimum in total made up of $30,000 for regulatory approval, engineering and protoyping $10,000+) and time-consuming just to get to a "golden prototype" for demos.

So if I were a "hacker" and wanted an open-source router, depending on my funds, I would either:

1. Flash DD-WRT to an existing router (used or new).

2. Buy one with it already installed, like the OpenWrt One or a Protectli device.

3. Get an SFF PC and build my own.

I remember when some comments about DropBox said it was a waste because any hacker could make that. I also know DropBox was marketed to the average person and businesses. I don't really see how a hacker friendly router could take off like that unless hackers are choosing the hardware and setting up the networks for average people. And I assume that most people setting up the networks want different qualities like brand name recognition, ease and speed of purchasing equipment (Walmart or BestBuy), and the ability to point a customer or family member to the number of solid reviews and articles saying it a good router to qualify their choices.

So, do you actually want a router that you can buy with DD-WRT pre-installed?

rekabis5 days ago

IMHO, those who want a router with open-source firmware are going to have the technical knowledge to do the finding and flashing themselves, by virtue of being embedded in tech deeply enough to recognize the value of an open-source firmware in the first place.

Those who look at you blankly when you mention open-source router firmware aren’t likely going to become customers.

willisrocks4 days ago

You would be surprised at how many people that know enough to be curious but are not ready to jump straight into flashing custom firmware yet. I've seen people sell pre-flashed wired and wireless routers like this for years on platforms like EBay. I think there's already a niche there, even if it's small.

I'm not sure how approachable tools like Claude Code have made this for people though. If I was just getting started, I would probably just have the tool do it for me.

comex4 days ago

I know how to flash firmware, but I'd still rather buy routers that have open-source firmware pre-flashed and tested by the vendor. This is simply because I've often run into issues with OpenWrt. I once bought a bunch of Archer C7s because it was described as a good router for OpenWrt, only to discover dmesg full of crashes from the proprietary wireless firmware running on the 5Ghz chip. In another case, I learned long after installing OpenWrt that the performance was much worse than stock firmware because OpenWrt didn't support hardware routing offload.

someperson5 days ago

I used to use dd-wrt, but I later settled on ASUS routers, and installing "ASUS Merlin" firmware on them.

I find ASUS hardware high quality in general. And using an open-source project like ASUS Merlin means the pain-points and limitations that I would face with stock firmware have been resolved to (at least to satisfactory extent) when I need reach for the hacker type configurations.

ryandrake4 days ago

Same journey for me. Merlin does everything I need, and it's actively developed. They drop support for older devices too quickly, but everyone in the software industry seems to drop older devices as soon as new ones hit the market so they're no worse.

someperson3 days ago

Yep I also share the frustrations with ASUS Merlin dropping support for older devices too quickly. Probably my biggest criticism of the project.

movsx5 days ago

How does DD-WRT compare to RouterOS?

urhea4 days ago

they're entirely different beasts. dd-wrt is more or less a normal linux distro that targets embedded devices. it has a "unified config" that abstracts away configs for many packages, but those abstractions are leaky. when you log in by ssh, you're using a shell and editor to edit config files.

compared with RouterOS where the Linux bits are almost completely hidden behind the proprietary config engine (and the proprietary cli and webuis that power that config engine). for the most part with routeros, you'd be hard pressed to know that you're even on a unix let alone linux.

bombcar4 days ago

As the other commenter said - but if you loved IOS before it was iOS you’ll find routeros comfortable if different, if you like rc.d you’ll like DD-WRT.